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Oortone wrote: ↑Jan 19th, '24, 10:31 The Stop/Continue functionality

This is not yet set. It might take some time and thinking to finish. Also there are the midi realtime equivalents when running as slave that I guess should reflect the same functionality as the buttons.

Here are the combinations I can think of and my preliminary suggestions. Hopefully they can be implemented. Please comment.

You've done quite some brainstorming! Let me comment inline below...

Sequencer is playing playing – then…

START
Do nothing regardless of mode

OK, this is clear.

CLEAR (remember sequencer is playing)
Track play: bar aligned return to first bar
Pattern play/write: immediate return to first step (sync to other gear will offset)

Can you explain this a bit more in depth? I don't get it yet...

STOP
Track play: stop – keep bar position
Pattern play/write: stop – keep step position

So with this, it would just be similar to a "pause": when you start the sequencer again, it would continue from where it has been stopped. Correct? Which actually is what you describe below with "STOP - CLEAR - STOP (Continue)", right?

STOP – CLEAR
Track play: goto first bar (FWD, BWD to any bar in Track also possible)
Pattern play/write: goto first step in current pattern

STOP – CLEAR – STOP (Continue):
Track play: will play from first bar
Pattern play/write: will play from first step in current pattern

STOP – CLEAR – START:
Track play: will play from first bar
Pattern play/write: will play from first step (in first pattern, if pattern chain)

Slight difference between single pattern and pattern chain, but sounds good.

STOP – STOP (Continue):
Track play: play from current bar
Pattern play/write: play from current step in current pattern

See my comment above (STOP).

STOP – START:
Track play: play from first bar
Pattern play/write: play from first step in current pattern

This last one is actually the "basic" function/behaviour: you stop the sequencer and you start again from the beginning (no continue). Right?

Oortone wrote: ↑Jan 19th, '24, 10:56 Pattern chains - pattern groups (in Pattern Play mode)

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Unless I’ve missed some very valuable use of stored pattern chains it will not be re-implemented in this firmware since it really makes a lot of stuff very complicated. However the old code structures are kept inactivated in the code if some one some day really wants to implement storable pattern chains.

I didn't even know of this feature, so I won't for sure be missing it.
I see your point and understand it: loading a pattern should not load a chain. You can manually create the chain if you need it.

F.

Regarding Play Modes; in general I though that if you stop in Track Mode you probably want to start on a bar and not exactly where you stopped. Since we don't handle Song Position Pointer (no plan to implement, seems very complicated with variable step length), it will probably be good slaved to another sequencer.
In Pattern Mode I guess we want to Continue from where we are if we don't press clear.

Pressing Clear when already playing, we could return to beginning of bar immediately in Pattern mode, in Track mode with above philosophy we return to beginning bar aligned, like a reprise.

(STOP in my post above is a bit redundant, it's what happens next that's important)

Regarding Start/Continue and pattern chains. Yes I thought that it would be great to be able to decide if we want to start from beginning of chain or current pattern, to take advantage of the difference between Start and Continue.

Yes Stop/Start is the current basic prebeta behavior.

Thank you Oortone.
I will be happy to test your new firmware version. Would you mind also updating (or creating) the manual for it, when released?
Thanks,
F.

Now the proper beta called 0tone_0.90b has been released. Link to download at Github and information is in the first post of this thread.

Oortone wrote: ↑Feb 1st, '24, 17:17 Now the proper beta called 0tone_0.90b has been released. Link to download at Github and information is in the first post of this thread.

Damn! Now I'm forced to test it! Hah!
Next week I should have plenty of spare time, I'll give it a shot. Should I specifically test something?

No not really. But if you find something strange not mentioned please post info on how to reproduce it.

Here are the note numbers for expander mode. I tried to follow the General MIDI Drum Kit Map fond here:
https://www.pgmusic.com/tutorial_gm.htm

36 BD Bass Drum 1
37 RM Side stick
39 HC Hand clap
40 SD Electric snare
42 CH Closed hihat
45 LT Low tom
46 OH Open high hat
47 MT Low mid tom
48 HT High mid tom
49 CR Crash
51 RD Ride

Note numbers for midi pattern change mode are the same as in the 2021 Neuromancer firmware:

Pattern change in Slave Mode:
Bank A-H: note 61-68 (C#4-G#4)
Pattern 1-16: note 72-87 (C5-D#6)

I was thinking, would it make more sense to change Patterns to 71-86? So both banks and patterns start from a C#? Starting from 71 (like 61 for bak) also kind of makes sense?

Oortone wrote: ↑Feb 4th, '24, 22:47 Note numbers for midi pattern change mode are the same as in the 2021 Neuromancer firmware:

Pattern change in Slave Mode:
Bank A-H: note 61-68 (C#4-G#4)
Pattern 1-16: note 72-87 (C5-D#6)

I was thinking, would it make more sense to change Patterns to 71-86? So both banks and patterns start from a C#? Starting from 71 (like 61 for bak) also kind of makes sense?

I never used bank or pattern change via MIDI, but I see your point and I like it: starting both from x1 (61/71) is far easier to remember and understand.
Please do this change.
Thanks,
F.